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by the viewers/audience of KBS 2TV’s ‘Generation Empathy Saturday‘ which aired on February 5th.
Best Girl group? as if we didn’t know that already 😛 *coughs* 🙂
The ‘Girl Group Best 10’ (picked by viewers/audience) was announced during the segment ‘Ranking! Old and New‘ of the show.
SNSD was picked as the ‘Best Girl Group‘ while 1st generation K-Pop girl group Fin.K.L came in 2nd. Wonder Girls took the 3rd spot while SM seniors S.E.S (now disbanded) claimed 4th. KARA ranked 5th, Brown Eyed Girls 6th, rookie group Secret 7th and 2NE1 took the 8th spot. Lastly SM town juniors f(x) claimed 9th (soshi’s number? :)) while veterans Baby V.O.X rounded up the top 10 coming in 10th.
Sources: fanwonder.com, tvdaily.co.kr
SNSD Korean 
not surprised!
Wow our girls are AMAZING!!!
i feel like this may start a few fan wars but hey! more power to Soshi!
Quite an interesting line-up of girl groups. It’s refreshing to see names like S.E.S., Fin.K.L., and Baby V.O.X. in the running instead of the “usuals,” if you know what I mean. I’m also glad Secret’s mentioned and, of course, KARA.♥ Congratulations to SNSD for consistently coming out on top! 😀
Our girl generation so AMAZING
FIghting Girl
SNSD fighting
CONGRATULATIONS to the “ANGELIC 9” 😀 😀 😀 !!!! It looks like it’s going to be a Great Year ahead again for the ladies 😉 ! SNSD FIGHTING !!!
Its so funny on allkpop, haters were hating on snsd.like they shouldnt be the bgg. But anyways im a very happy sone.congrats to our snsd unnies.
Right now, from now on, forever SNSD!
They are always great
snsd fighting!!
1.SNSD
2.fin.k.l
3.wonder girls
4.S.E.S
5.KARA
6.2ne1
7.brown eyed girls
8.secret
9.f（x）
10.baby vox
SNSD DAEBAAKK !!
Wow there are some old school groups there.
Is the ranking “best girl group of all time?” or just 2010?
Obviously “best girl girl of all time”, Fin.KL, S.E.S. and Baby V.O.X. have all been disbanded for over 5 years, SES almost 10 years. You wouldn’t be comparing SNSD to them in 2010 since they didn’t do anything in 2010, it’s gotta be across different eras.
Hah. “Fine Killing Liberty.” I really liked their Ruby and Waiting for You. And Forever. I thought SES was more popular in their day, though, but maybe just ’cause I liked them more.
It’s funny, though, being reminded of what it was like ten years ago, being a fan of those groups, being younger than the performers I followed, comparing then to now and so on.
yay for SNSD, too.
Woow
SNSD are the best girl group ever
SNSD Fighting
I’m really surprised Secret made it to that list… I mean, really?? I’m not hating or anything and they’re pretty good, but Top 10 of All Time? I honestly don’t think they’ve accomplished enough to be considered that. Truthfully a couple really good groups were snubbed and should be considered in the top 10, the old Jewelry (before they blew it up in 09), and CSJH The Grace, in their prime they were much more accomplished than Secret today.
i’m actually more surprised by f(x), yes they’re popular to a degree but they haven’t had any hit yet in Korea.
Secret is actually doing exceptionally well after Madonna, and Shy Boy is killing the charts and staying stable in the top 3 on most charts for at least a week.
imo Seeya and Jewelry should be in the list, they were once the top girl groups before the new ones all flooded the scene and the few girl groups that can survive after the FinKL,SES and Baby VOX era died out.
Yes I would agree about f(x), they don’t belong in the top 10, but I would say the same thing about Secret, they’re popular to a degree but they haven’t had any real big hits either. Shy Boy alone isn’t enough to bolt them into top 10 of all time considering how much more the veteran groups have achieved.
People need to be made aware of The Grace’s existence, shame on SM for not promoting this awesome group, they were literally the female version of TVXQ. I’m glad they’re making a come back soon.
well i was just comparing between Secret and f(x), i do agree both haven’t really done anything amazing to be in there
CSJH popularity/achievements in their prime was probably the same as f(x) right now so i don’t think they should be here too
imo SeeYa (the first girl group that manage to sell 100k albums after the digital era and had quite a few hits) and Jewelry (2008 digital daesang winner and have been in the industry for a long time) should be here instead of Secret and f(x)
Well I can definitely agree about Jewelry, they hit their peak in 2008 with One More Time and they should be in the top 10.
I can definitely see SeeYa being in the top 10, but the reason I left them off is because they don’t quite fit the traditional definition of a girl group, they’re much more of a vocal group than a traditional girl group (are they not the female version of SG Wannabe? you don’t ever hear SG Wannabe being in any boyband discussions). And personally I haven’t seen them perform much dance routines in any of their songs. So it feels like they belong to a different category, I’m not denying their talent, and there’s definitely a case to be made for them being in top 10 but I just think CSJH should be there instead.
CSJH The Grace is much more like traditional girl group material, and they’re complete with amazing vocal and dancing abilities. They’ve been around longer than most groups, they’ve won some awards, they’ve debuted in Japan and even toured there, in the big picture they’ve accomplished more than most girl groups today. f(x) and Secret really can’t compare to them. A lot of people don’t know how talented they are because SM buried them for so long, and that’s the only reason they haven’t achieved as much as they should. Doesn’t mean they don’t deserve a spot though.
jessica would be sad cause krystal got 9th….but still SNSD HWAITTING
It’s Girls Generation!! ❤
Surely a little bit a of critism can’t hurt right?
I don’t know much about Korean Girl Groups and what goes on in the K-Pop industry, but don’t you think that SNSD seems to nab all of the awards and almost leaves everyone out in the dust, kind of like a spoil market? I view this from an unbiased academic perspective that detaches itself from being a SONE or whatever name a fan is called of other groups.
I know some of the diehard SONEs’ will hate me on this, criticising the synergy between the ladies and the hard work and effort they put in until now. Part of me hardly thinks it’s justification. It’s hard for me to introduce friends to K-Pop when they first thing they see is SNSD and pretty much dismiss all of the other groups in K-Pop, only turning to them out of curiosity.
I’m not saying that SNSD doesn’t deserve to take the top spot, nor what I say about the synergy of SNSD from other SONEs’. I’m only saying that I wish people won’t be so biased about this sort of thing because that’s what the unaware individual whose being introduced to K-Pop will end up as.
As for the critics of K-Pop in general, that’s another story.
Reply to Terrez,
As you said yourself you don’t know much about korean groups, perhaps you should go through some of the youtube video
before you comment. I am from a land far far away in Europe, I have never been to korea, i came across SNSD when i watch
“cinderella man” ;yoona. I thought she was good looking but not that stunning.
I then came across Taeyeon singing the song from 200 pound beauty LIVE on radio holding a lyric sheet! Talked about live! I didn’t even know who she was, after much playing through youtube, it turned out that both yoona and taeyeon came from SNSD. It is not that they are more pretty than the rest, or more talented (taeyeon is though!) BUT because they are humble, simple, funny and being the national group of korea, DON’T ACT LIKE spoilt brats. They can Sing, Dance, Act, play and be themself at the same time.
I will tell you a simple way to introduce friends to SNSD, just watch the HUGE body of works on youtube regarding SNSD, don’t force it down their throat.
They converted me into a “sone” without them trying to “sell” to me, and as i said before, I am far far away from korea.
I’m only giving my honest opinion, not forcing it down people’s throats like its fact or something.
I’m referring to introducing those who don’t have the time to go through the entire space of K-related media. I’ve had some time of my own, but I’m spending them on something else instead, with the occasional watching of SNSD videos for recreation.
Sure, you may be someone who may have the time to go through every single Youtube video and show a sense of respect and love for SNSD, but none of my friends are like that. I never force people to watch because I respect their space and it would ruin the experience for them. So I tell them what they need to know and work their way from there with simple recommendations like you have stated like a simple guy with good intentions. However, often at times, it goes really awry for me, so it’s much harder when you have people like that.
Besides, when did I ever talk about “Selling”? I never said anything bad about SNSD and even if I did, I amended it with reason. I only stated that some biased people can turn unaware people in biased individuals as well, making it seem as though the industry is as insular as it is and the cycle continues on.
“Being biased is okay IMO, but don’t force it down said unaware individuals, recommendation of other groups is welcome too” is the message I’m trying to convey. Variety.
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“The minute someone walks into K-Pop, some would see SNSD all the time and as a result, becomes a SONE” (Depending on senario). – A friend of mine.
Once again, I’m not saying that SNSD shouldn’t deserve the award or any award for that matter, but sometimes, biased individuals convey the illusion that SNSD is always the best and yes, there are the best in what they do and participate in, but don’t leave out the other important aspects/groups of K-Pop because without them, K-Pop wouldn’t be what is is today and not variety to the consumer and the experience is short-lived as they come to know of how linear things become in the long run.
I very much agree with what Terrez says. Sometimes there are certain lines which are best not to cross.
To help give an example, how do you think many people came to hate Justin Bieber? It couldn’t have been his voice. Maybe people would be bewildered, but I doubt there’d be hate for something as trivial as that. If you asked me I’d say all the antagonism came from his diehard fans who would scream and squeal and talk about ‘Justin Bieber’ for days on out. It gets annoying and tiresome, and for some men it may seem a bit unfair that the boy gets so much attention just for his voice and hairstyle.
It was such a shame, this one time when I learned about the tough competition going on between 2AM and SNSD and most of the comments were SONEs making provoking comments toward 2AM and their fans. I told them off, was acknowledged by a few, then got ignored by the rest of the new commenters.
Well… what Terrez said pretty much sums up anything else I’d like to say. Listen to him guys. He’s just teaching us a bit of humility and following it helps give people a better perception of us.
@Nasty
Unrelated comment.
I remember a macro on the site “Verydemotivational.com” and couldn’t stop laughing after seeing it. It’s pretty much similar to how obsequious fans are to their respective idols.
If you’re Christian, I have absolutely NO INTENTION of offending you guys. Just because it’s inappropriate doesn’t mean you can shoot the messenger. It’s all in good fun, nor am I an Athiest. Just a ‘lil, harmless joke which I wanted to share.
What the macro said was…
“I have nothing against God, it’s his fan club I can’t stand.”
Thing got 7626 likes and 791 dislikes and still counting.
@Terrez
if there are people forcing you to watch them then that’s your friends’ fault and not SNSD nor is it the media
i find SNSD not through any forcing or whatever, i came across them by myself watching their funny moments
the media only give the result of what the popular beliefs/opinions in the society (Korea)
and no SNSD is not always in our faces, they didn’t even attend any of the Lunar new year shows
the awards they receive was because of what the majority in Korea/popular beliefs best
best is subjective and it’s up to the individual’s opinion
but it’s an opinion not fact
usually the popular opinion in the society is what the media take into consideration
@Sammy
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Where did I state that people were forcing me to watch them? You’re repeating the same question that ‘just someone’ did. I was only “Referring-To-Those-Are-Not-Aware-Of-What-Goes-On-In-K-Pop” and “Those-Diehard-Fans-Preying-On-Unknowing-Individuals”. Read my previous comments.
Besides, if the average human wants to subject itself to unanimous conformity when it comes to what they perceive as ‘Best’ when they’re beguiled by whatever factors there are, and the media’s widespread influence dangling a carrot in front of their faces, let them be. But how can they (average people) truthfully say what they want about a group without being criticised as an “Anti” by quick-to-judge, irrational and unreasonable fans of said group? I’m still referring to those obsequious fans.
If you feel that what I say is prejudiced, then surely a rational individual who distances yourself from those ‘fans’ can surely correct them? If they’re indifferent and not listening, leave them be if they aren’t going to make the effort to change.
Forget about the abject ones, it’s better for both of us anyway.
“I never force people to watch because I respect their space and it would ruin the experience for them”.
Never mind that you respect other’s space. Why don’t you try if you think you can force people to do that. Let me know when you succeeded.
Are you saying that for your personal amusement? Asking someone to be the guinea pig* and learning from their mistakes while laughing at them? (One of the possible senarios out of a multitude.)
I don’t want to sound like I’m lightly berating you for such a daring comment nor do I want to incite any hostility between you and me, Moon, but why ask such a question? I’m intrigued. Out of personal curiosity? (Another possible senario.)
*No offence to any real guinea pigs, only the term meant.
Sorry for late reply. I don’t know anyone who can “force people to watch.” Do you know anyone?
then again KPop is filled with those kind of fans
not only in Kpop really, all countries have those fans that are ignorant and think their bias is the best
it can’t be escaped
in the end it’s up to the individual to judge
so no it’s really a spoil market, that’s how it is in music, because Korea is a much smaller market it’s expected that these things happen
i mean for example in Japan the medias is filled with Arashi and AKB48, but since their market is MUCH bigger there are more varieties that can still share that high spot with them such as Ikimonogakari, Kana Nishino, etc
the problem is Korean market is small, and well since KPop (idol music) is what attracts the international fans most that’s what the media provides
If it’s up to the individual to judge, then we’ll judge it the way we want to.
I’ve stopped taking in news from J-related media for a very long time, so I can’t provide an solid comparison or statements in terms of how the market size affects literally everything that goes on in K-Pop or anything for that matter. Nor do I have any rudimentary knowledge on how economics (Or whatever) works.
It’s unfortunate that the smaller market size means that the lesser known parties get knocked out and the best stay on top while making it seem that the industry is linear as it is, thus leading to prejudiced remarks by the general public.
Either way, It will probably work out in time and thanks for the invaluable insight.
End of Line.
SNSD saranghaee ^O^ !!
soo proud to be SONE 😀
yay! congrats to our girls! im so proud of them! of course, they totally deserve the title after so much hard work they put into their careers.
SNSD rules!
“that SNSD is always the best and yes, there are the best in what they do”
You said it yourself!
Most of us “sones” consumes other kpop stuff too, varities show, drama, music shows, award shows etc….
We HAVE checked out other stuff and came to the conclusion that at the MOMENT in time, SNSD is the best. Now can we get off this subject, i’ve got (business)work to do…….
I thank you for your understanding. After some thinking, I realized that Elitism isn’t always good.
“Variety is always a good thing, having SNSD to promote the variety in K-Pop considering their reputation is even better”. – I guess I can kind of say that.
snsd hwaiting. they are the best pop group in the world.even better than michael jackson.
SONE STRONG^^^^^
WOW, can’t believe they beat out legendary girl group Finkl! Both are my fav girl groups of all time!!!!!!
yeshh!! so proud of the girls for getting to the top!! 🙂 plz continue on doing a good job!
the popularity contest is really open for interpretation, and people will disagree when it comes to who’s the best. i still believe SNSD is the best and their achievements so far is a testament to that. although their 2 previous seonbaes have been very popular at their time, but SNSD revolutionize the way girl groups have become. Its because of them that there’s a surge of girl groups we have today in the kpop world. and although most of them have raised the standards of ability (whether it be vocal/dancing abilities), SNSD has that something special that keeps people wanting for more.
“as if we don’t know already…”haha…..good job….
SNSD, fighting!^^
Where’s 4Minute?
Yeahhhh!!!!
Sseriously though…declaring SNSD as the #1 girl group/artist in history is a bit obvious lol
it would be like asking if snow is white
I don’t mean to over praise on the girls.
But I kind of expected this already. 🙂
OH!? that’s good! *pretend shocked*
hoho
Yay, haven’t been here for a long time. Another #1 spot for our girls. Congrats!
I would like to say thanks Mr. Terrez. You always came with wise comments in almost your every post, that eventually opened up to lively discussion among us. Giving us a lot of perspectives about what a fans should be. I admire you.
A wise man once said: “Don’t love someone too much, someday you may hate her. Don’t hate someone too much, someday you may love her.” This saying applies to our love to SNSD too. Right now, we may (over)praise them with numerous awards, records, and chart-toppings. But someday, when they grow older, can’t perform as good as today, and eventually disbanded, slowly we may step away from them. Not being their die-hard fans like what we do today anymore.
So what Terrez said is pretty wise. Only by watching and listening to other groups too, we can examine our girls and know that they are really the best and deserved to adore.
So, don’t strict yourself. Open your ears and open your eyes.
Maybe you do but I often don’t understand what Terrez says. I often skip reading his comments even though it’s not always easy to skip someone’s comments because it stops the flow of going through the comments and also because it’s not pleasant thing to do so.
Do you understand when he says, “I don’t know much about Korean Girl Groups and what goes on in the K-Pop industry,” but also says in the same paragraph, ” I view this from an unbiased academic perspective that detaches itself from being a SONE or whatever name a fan is called of other groups”?
If he “views from an unbiased academic perspective” , then he cannot say “I don’t know much about Korean Girl Groups and what goes on in the K-Pop industry.” Right?
And also “just someone” replied on Terrez’s comment above and Terrez replied “I’m only giving my honest opinion, not forcing it down people’s throats like its fact or something”. But just like above, how can “unbiased academic perspective” and “only giving my honest opinion” go together? “unbiased academic perspective” is the most objective point of view, and “only giving my honest opinion” is often, if not always, subjective in its nature. Isn’t it? I feel that this is a way for him to avoid being responsible for what he states. And all this make his argument highy confusing.
And his reply to sammy, he said “If you feel that what I say is prejudiced, then surely a rational individual who distances yourself [sic] from those ‘fans’ can surely correct them?” So Terrez (a rational individual) asserts that he can correct us, “irrational individuals(?),”(‘fans’). In the context of this fan site, does that make sense to you? From where in this fan site does his assumption come from? What does he know about visitors to start with? Are people who visit this site that stupid and inexperienced to be told that kind of thing? How can he say about fans in the way he does, almost to the extent that makes me think that he might be an anti in disguize.
Sorry if I’m one of only a couple of people who doesn’t get his logic and who tend to find that his comments are self-serving and offenssive to those who don’t deserve to be offended.
I don’t think it’s just you, I get confused often by Terrez’s comments, and like you, I have given up reading everything he says. I consider myself a fairly rational person and I tend to overanalyze things a lot, but I would never consider myself to be 100% objective, but Terrez seems to have taken overanalyzing beyond the point where it makes sense to most individuals here.
A fansite, by definition, is already fundamentally irrational, because liking something or someone is a very subjective thing, I don’t think it’s possible for a 100% rational, logical and objective device (such as a computer) to decide that SNSD or any girl group is the best, and it surely does not make sense to look for that kind of objectivity on a die-hard SNSD fansite like this one. However, I would not say that Terrez is an anti in disguise, that may be going a little too far, from what I have read Terrez is a fan and is not here to troll the comments section, not intentionally at least.
All I’m trying to say is there’s no point in being so objective, so rational and overly analytical all the time. All people want to do here is just collectively spazz, celebrate, and be happy about everything SNSD, if you’re trying to “talk sense” into fans here, you will NOT succeed. The Borg put it best “Resistance is futile”, and I’m learning to change my overly rational ways, I’m much more of a spazzer now, just drown yourself in SNSD bliss but keep a small dose of perspective. Try it Terrez, you may like it.
Wall of text warning. I beg a moment’s clemency
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Apparently contradiction is my forte, it would seem. Then again, so is misintepretion by others as flawed logic.
I don’t think that Moon or RagingXL would fully understand from my point of view even if I were to elaborate my situation in explicit detail, even with analogous situations which occur in real life because it would only raise more questions than answers. But I’ll try to keep it as concise as can, I knew a day like this would come.
First, I’ll tackle Moon’s statements. By far one of the best persons to respond to me on the internet. I’ll be splitting them up into points according to the paragraphs which correspond to their statements.
I’ll be using a ton of analogous situations though. So as to give you a visualization of how I view things.
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I do acknowledge the fact by which my comments do and have stirred up a bit of hostility, but skipping them because of how I say things? That’s like skipping that one person whom everybody hates but is misunderstood and has valuable insight and wants to help/talk around with people but never got the chance. OR it could be like walking in a plateau and seeing me as a rock, I’ll leave it up to you.
2nd Paragraph, actually, I can say it. I’m in no stance to say what or who you are, but what I can say is that I’ve seen enough of different people from my community to back it up.
Imagine having a friend who is an average guy, who has heard of K-Pop but never really got into into it, is coping with the demands of life and doing his job, has his own interests and is oblivious to what actually goes on there. While another friend is a diehard K-Pop fan, knows exactly what goes on in and out in the industry, let’s her bias control her most of the time (High amounts of adulation and obsequiousness), and like a voting campaign, entice people into becoming a fan of her respective group while conspicuously competiting with numerous other bands, when there’s so many out there.
Ever heard of mind over matter? Where people are able to excercise thoughts so practical that they’re capable of not producing human emotions and is most commonly seen in judges who practice law (They’re not emotionally attached to anybody or anything and decides what happens based on facts beneficial to each party, a sense of nonchalance.) and Simon Cowell (The reason why he’s like that is because he’s concerned about truly bringing up the idol and despite his spiteful remarks, he’s honest about truly helping you). Not to mention, I’m an eccentric.
From a friend’s point of view, my character has the properties of the average guy, which is why I don’t know much about K-Pop, but enough rudimentary knowledge to understand what’s going on just by skimming through the general K-Pop sites (Allkpop) due to curiosity, like a hobby. This site and SSF is the reason why I know much more about SNSD and not other groups considering how many there are when you take it into perspective, I could be an ELF or a Shawol, but fortuitous chances has led me to SNSD instead, so I adhere to it since it’s to my liking. That’s point number one down.
3rd Paragraph: As for my “Unbiased Academic Perspective”, that’s where the “mind over matter” part comes in, you may view it as an objective point of view and any human opinions are of their own distinctive preferences and subjective of their nature. However, my opinion happens to be the objective view of things. Opinion = Objective, Objective = Opinion = My view. I’m sure you can google “Eccentric” and look in at their personality traits. Still don’t get it? No further elaboration, let it marinade into your brain as you comprehend my ambiguous and convoluted explainations, it’s not that hard. Second point down. By the way, I take full responsibilty of what I say no matter how abstract it is, some people tend to think I’m hating and don’t want to receive the punishment by denying the irrefutable facts. I digress, moving on.
4th Paragraph: !#@$, I thought I covered this part already. Sigh… Fine. *I was only “Referring-To-Those-Are-Not-Aware-Of-What-Goes-On-In-K-Pop (Average guy)” and “Those-Diehard-Fans-Preying-On-Unknowing-Individuals (Diehard K-Pop fan who preys on the obliviousness of the Average Guy for her own malicious(?) benefits).*
I’m referring to those arsehats, not the completely normal fans like you or anyobdy else. However, it would seem that less of those kind of arsehats are around that’s good. Never at any point did I refer to any of the visitors of this fansite – IT WAS ONLY AN ELONGATED ALLUDED STATEMENT to those diehard fans*** lurking around. By the way, the manner in which you state “How can he say about fans in the way he does, almost to the extent that makes me think that he might be an anti in disguize.” seems as though you’re really against injustice and by right, I can tell a bit of emotion is showing.
***As for the diehard fans who don’t do any of the “Bad” things which I said earlier, I’m not referring to you at all, do what you will and want.
5th Paragraph: UMAD BRO? Actually, forget I said that.
Was that as unequivocal enough for you? Or do you still think I’m some unconscionable prick deep down? Overall, I value mutual reciprocation and have a slight reverence as an eclectic to SNSD and many others for umpteenth. I know I go on a misunderstood tirade sometimes for whatever reason (Elitism mostly), but I’m making an effort to keep it in check now and my perception and character is diversifying in a “Good” way. Feel free to make fun of my flawed logic and contradicting statements.
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@RagingXL.
I don’t have to a lot to say other than taking your points into consideration. Except these two:
“I don’t think it’s just you, I get confused often by Terrez’s comments, and like you, I have given up reading everything he says.” – He/She(I tend to think otherwise, lol)
My response: http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/993279.page. Just to give you an idea of the stupidity I encounter on a daily basis. I honestly don’t see how you can just “Give up” on what I say since I read all of the posts via hasty skimming despite the irrational comments. But I’m not like those “Internet-Egos'” as stated in the linked post. It may not seem so bad, but the link is just the tip of the iceberg though, there’s actually much more worse stuff out there.
“Terrez seems to have taken overanalyzing beyond the point where it makes sense to most individuals here.” – You say.
My response: Once again, going through the “Overanalyzing” part since it’s affecting me in a dire way. Shouldn’t it be “Where it doesn’t make sense to most individuals here” instead?
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Satisfied? If my vocabulary seems limited and logic puerile… Let’s just say that I’m “Younger” than what you might think.
End of Line.
Well that answers your question. heres your comment. The….wall of it was so big I guess that it was automatically filtered into spam lol.
Just a few things about what’s been said already. Maybe more later.
I have to disagree with the “wise man” quote in Microbot’s comment. It’s like buying your kid a dog and then saying “don’t love that dog too much, ’cause it’ll die long before you do.”
The question of being an disagreeable, aggressive fan is not so much an issue of liking SNSD too much, it’s just having… poor character.
A person meets a foreigner who’s a jerk, and then the first person tells everyone that all foreigners are jerks, and some people start to believe it. Whose fault is that?
I once made an idle comment disparaging McDonald’s, and was challenged “but they’re the most popular because they give people what they want.” At that time I forgot my reasons, but one among them is that something that draws people together also tends to make them the same. (Is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? Does it depend on what you’re talking about? Why? Etc.)
That’s weird, my previous comment to address Moon’s and RagingXL’s remarks vanished into thin air.
!@#$
By this point, my capacity to write has already been exhausted. Rewriting the whole thing again is out of the question. I knew I should have copied the darn thing before posting but seeing as I didn’t expect it to happen (Except for when I think I exceeded the word limit), I don’t know whether it’s entirely my fault.
I could rewrite what I wrote into a “Multiple Point” format but making it too short raises more questions than answers whereas making it longer than needed would render it and superfluous and some points extraneous. Omitting certain points could affect what I’m trying to say as I don’t know which to leave in or take out, so I’m in a bit of a dilemma now.
Unless, the damn thing pops up out of the shadows and actually shows up. When it does, disregard this post.
Either way, Moon, RagingXL. I think you might change your perception of me once you see the entire post.
We don’t care what you guys say in the comments most of the time, just keep it civil. Thanks for doing that.
On a side note, we’ve been having some troubles with comments as of late. They may or may not appear instantly. To my knowledge, there is no word limit. That said, I don’t see a comment by Terrez on our end that’s pending.
Have fun.
Wow ! It looks like this post has touched a very “raw” nerve here 😉 ! Chill, guys ; it’s after all just a blog to celebrate our mutual love for Soshi (our angelic 9), so relax ‘cos what’s written here ultimately won’t amount to a whole lot of influence in the bigger scheme of things 😀 . My humble 2 cents worth :).
I know I’m revealing too much.
After reading this, I realized that: Why are we arguing over such a trivial matter like what I say? I’m merely giving my own say in things but ends up being misintepreted for some reason, thus compelling me to answer in the most convoluted manner known to man.
My statements diverge from the main idea and yes, I know most people don’t get what I’m saying, I think is probably of my eccentricity. However, I remember reading about an article where despite Americans and the Japanese using the same part of the brain in order to visualize and execute actions, different results came out in terms of how they answered questions (Americans had analysis on the smaller items of interest, Japanese had taken the whole item into account, due to cultural perspectives and differences).
As for the subjective nature of humans, I was once accused of being a “100% rational, logical and objective device (such as a computer)”. This kind of objective nature tends to float around in my head and only dies down due to intermittent
fluctuations, goes back to being subjective, then objective, and so on and so forth. It screws me up in the way that people don’t understand what I’m saying on my mind when I elaborate, yet if I stick to “Rudimentary” English, it renders my input redundant when all I wanted to do is just contribute in some sort of way.
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By this point, I’ve pretty much given up altogether trying to get my point across, seeing as nobody seems to understand or comprehend what I’m saying.
I’m sorry but I did not accuse you of being a “100% rational, logical and objective device (such as a computer)”, I only said that it was impossible for such a device to decide matters like which girl group is the best. Those decisions can only be made by humans with emotions. Case in point, in American law (and laws of many other countries), the people that ultimately decide the result of serious trials are the jury, not the judge, and jurors are people with emotions and biases, although they are asked to stay as objective as they can, there is no way to remove all of their feelings from their decisions.
I agree with Kenneth, I kinda said the same thing in my last post.
But Terrez, I am not intentionally ignoring your posts, I just feel lost some times when reading them and I can’t help but to start skimming. I did read every single word of your huge post and I just have one thing to say, you have a point and you’re entitled to think that you’re the most objective person on here, we’re not going to dispute that. But why look at SNSD or any kpop group through the eyes of an unbiased academic or from the perspective of a judge? Isn’t it hard for you to always suppress your feelings? Or perhaps is it even harder for you to expose those feelings and you find comfort in staying objective? Whichever the case maybe, your standard of objectivity is too high and is simply too much to ask for in a fandom like SONE. SNSD is inevitably going to win more “best of” and music awards, you can’t realistically expect people to just stay quiet and pretend nothing happened. I some times too wish fans of KPOP have more sense in them, but those are just wishful thinking. At the end of the day, if we had no feelings we would not be fans, we would just be machines.
Writing “Entitled to think” makes it so that I want to think I am and not what others think. That’s like having a genuinely modest person say he’s modest to others and everybody thinks he’s being narcissistic.
I never find it hard to suppress my feelings nor expose those same feelings (Mind-over-matter) because I’m generally outspoken, not because I’m uncomfortable writing something which everyone wants to hear about and lying to myself.
I may be kicked off the blog by Boss Lady. However, I just want to read about SNSD, but can’t help giving something of benevolent intentions which can be viewed as disparaging. I’d be lying if I say that I’m characterized of your aforementioned points and not simultaneously, In fact, I’m somewhere in between, but still frank enough to say the least.
I find it relatively easy to be in both states (Subjective and Objective), but never find the true satisfaction in saying what I want (Half of what I want to say from either state), so that’s why I’m objective majority of the time since it’s what helps me stand on two feet. I try combining the two so that I can have a palatable say of both worlds, I never hide what I say, but then it ends up going awry. Really awry.
I’m probably just one lone objective guy in a wholly subjective place of the ‘Net, but how can I help myself to say what I want without being misintepreted then?
I’m changing my name because I think “Terrez” sounds stupid now.
I’m here because I’m happy being here. I no longer find my eclecticism to be of any benefit now.
no one will get kicked off the blog as long as you guys keep things civil. we wont budge in to your discussion as long as it complies with our rules. but this discussion does seem to be going off the main point of this post so i suggest everyone stop 🙂
Hear ! Hear ! Boss Lady, I totally agree :). We seriously need some “angelic love” from Tiffany right now to “cool things down” 😀 😀 😀 <33333 !!!
Out of curiosity, what does a judge do then? Aside from the blatantly obvious and retarded question which can be found via the internet, I’m heeding with Kenneth’s advice and Boss Lady’s suggestion to stop. Hopefully we can learn something of this aimless dispute and understand/appreciate each other more. As cliche as that sounded.
I don’t about Moon or you, RagingXL, but despite your futile attempts to knock some common sense into me, do know that not everyone are like you. Contrary to popular belief, not all eccentrics are opinionated, as least I’m willing to change and it’s a long and arduous road indeed. Despite a few conformity issues, it’ll work along the way.
I’m ending this the best way I can: It’s no point in continuing in an impasse, any further contributions elongates the inevitable fact that this was and is… A waste of time. Except for the “Judge Question”, I’ll be waiting here for just that one response and nothing else then I’m moving on. This will be my last reply as Terrez as it sounds retarded, so expect a change, either good or bad, we’ll see in due time.
Signing off with my favourite quote.
“End of Line.” – MCP, Tron, 1982.
Okay, perhaps just one more response.
I’m ending the impasse before it escalates into something far worse and irreversible, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to argue with you because of how my logic seems and proves to be irrational and flawed against someone as near-condescending (Wrong choice of words) as you, I simply just wanted to talk and say something, but Lo and Behold! Amibiguity. I can’t alter something as ubiquitous and everchangingly impossible as that, but the least I could do is “Go with the flow”. I won’t change my attitude, but I’ll just do as it comes and goes.
Yea, that’s all I have to say, I’ll see you on the other side.
**Or make it seem like I’m avoiding the truth.
*Picard Double facepalm.jpg”. Okay, LAST ONE.
****If you’re still wondering why I’m like this, think of me as someone who’s different and comes from another forum which demands a rational mindset, then he comes on here, that’s me. There’s no mutual similarity at all when there’s such a disparity between what is subjective of the two parties so conflict tends to arise. Now that I’ve elaborated on why I’m like that, why I’m here, blah blah blah. Let’s forget about this post and move on.
@ Terrez-to-Woods
Good for you, my friend 😀 😀 😀 !!!
Yo Terrez! Its me Dave from your school. I want to thank you for introducing me to this site man! You know how much I love Girls’ Generation and this was one of the best sites you’ve recommended to me! I’ve been reading your comments on here and you seem to have gotten into some weird stuff, haha!
Oh man, I don’t know where to begin! First things first, you’re so different from what you are irl! you taught me so much funny philosophical stuff about life, but I’m surprised you’re not doing it, what’s going on man? I read the whole ‘impasse'(which took like forever!) and it looks like ragingXL and moon are against you and don’t understand how you feel cos the internet kind of makes it hard to tell a story of a person. Don’t worry, I’m here for you as your best mate lol.
I think why they don’t understand you is cos we’re both gamers, competitive gamers, unlike the general crowd who are normal everyday people in society. so it tends to be kind of hard to get along with one another since we’re so different. plus, the way you do your work and subjects and get As’ for them everytime is so different from everybody that they don’t understand you, but don’t care about what others say, I fully understand you despite your ‘chim’ vocab(I’m learning from you and my english is getting better now lol!) and you and I may be different from others, but think of it as being special, you can be specia in ur own wayl enough if you try and make the effort! dont be so ‘apathetic’, I am so why aren’t you?
I know the stigma from playing crappy matches everyday in BO and Bc2 carries over to here and as ragingXL says, ‘you’re entitled to being an objective person or something like that’, he won’t understand you as much as I do irl, no need to fret. Besides, lighten up! do things normally and be happy, alleviate the tension and do what you love! Don’t let your bad behaviour control you, you’re better than that! relax, just go with the flow man! I’m like super carefree and life is turning out to be better for me. again, don’t care about what others say to you on this site since ragingXL pretty much nails it: resistance is futile, don’t stress yourself out and just do what you enjoy without any of that stupid objective and rational thinking in the way.
oh yea, since we’re still young and learning, don’t try to get ahead of yourself too much, which is probably why you write so much unnecessary stuff in your exams and people don’t understand you. just learn at an even pace and everything will be alright and we will be able to do tons of stuff once we’re older!
If you can’t beat them, join em! i hope this helps you a little! see ya =D
oh man, mistakes! ahhhh!
I’m surprised you’re not doing it yourself here in 2nd para
near the end of 3rd para, ‘special’, not specia. and I’m not apathetic, more like optimistic and open enough.
I think that’s it, hopefully that’s it!
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I can’t believe you actually responded. You really thought the negativity was rubbing into me, huh? I think you might be missing out on a few points here and there, and some other key aspects which you want to orient into me, but let’s discuss this somewhere else.
i love snsd but my favourite is choi sooyoung and tiffany …………;
my nine angel are amazing!!!! proud to be SONE!!!!!!