WE'RE NO.1, SUCKAZ!
2009/07/27 7:37 am
WE'RE NO.1, SUCKAZ!
Some of you may be wondering or may be completely clueless about SNSD and their awards. Some of you might not even care. Meh, I pretty much already don’t (care) considering that the girls have broken so many records already and that they’ve secured a spot for themselves in not only today’s industry but in Kpop history as well.
But oh, the SNSD drama starts once again?
Whatever my views are on SNSD and what interests and disinterests me about the situation, I can’t help it if my curiousity is tickled once in a while. And so, I just had to ask. The two answers I got were interesting, though somewhat predictable and logical, considering everything that’s happened.
And so I asked
So I think the new thing now is 2NE1 vs SNSD. I’m happy that fans on both sides this time are at least bearable and not being rude. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, just watch a bunch of YouTube videos or go on news sites and read some comments. Anyway, what’s up with this M!Countdown [business]? People have been comparing SNSD and 2NE1 saying 2NE1 is better because they won and haven’t even performed for M!Countdown yet….. Uh….. Don’t people know there’s a reason why SNSD hasn’t performed there in almost a year? And I didn’t even think that M!Countdown even still counted SM artists lol [as in, they don’t exist to Mnet]. Wtf is going on? I feel like a Kpop newb for not knowing.
to which Tama Mama @JPHIP replied
The girls were up for the award once, I think. They were against 2PM and were lost by, like, less than a point or something .
I never expected Genie to win all that much anyway because of all the competition. They could’ve won 2 in a row if it wasn’t for the album postponement because of the cover. Oh well, 1 is okay, I guess. I’m starting to think that SM doesn’t care about awards for the group anymore as long as they still can make them big bucks, what’s with the rumour about the new album coming (that it might cancel out Gee for Golden Disk awards and if it comes out after Oct, it won’t be counted for this year’s nor next year’s awards either).
and Zoolander replied
SNSD ain’t gonna win M!Countdown. Suju won a couple times but I think they were more amiable with them since they were hosts of the show for so long.
Honestly I think Mnet likes to mess with them. They weren’t even nominated for the top 2 with Gee until more than 2 months after the song came out. Then all the sudden they put them against Kara and they lost by one point. Then the last couple weeks they lost to 2pm by less than one point. The charts somehow even had 2pm with double their physical album sales when pretty clearly SNSD had more. (Oh geez, I better not even get into the bull of Taeyeon not winning best OST song at MKMF)
It’s awesome that people recognize the power of girl groups. 2ne1 were probably the most anticipated girl group of all time and have definitely lived up to the hype and SNSD has become extremely popular even among the general public.
I quoted these two because not only do I agree with everything they say about 2NE1 and SNSD (in fact, I’ve said them all before) but I’d like to think they’re pretty well-informed about Kpop and especially about SNSD. Unlike me who doesn’t bother to thoroughly inspect drama :p But yes, I’ve noticed that M!Net really does like to mess with people. Not only are their award shows (MKMF, where I coined the term “Cindy MKMF’d the polls!”) totally bogus, but they really like to mess with people and artists. They’re picking a silly fight with SM Entertainment and they’ve been known to make their fights rather obvious. Do not get me started with the SeeYa and Nam Gyuri thing (although it was freaking hilarious how they smacked her back in the face)!
I’d hate to think that 2NE1 fans are now going to be the new ant-fans to SNSD. If so, that’s so saddening to know because YG fans, just like DSP fans, are quite mentally stable logical and not at all crazy compared to the rest. I just really can’t believe that things are turning out this way. But not about 2NE1 and SNSD win and lose thing, but I figured once the Wonder Girls went to America, their fans that may be anti-fans of SNSD would focus on their activities and not hate on SNSD for the time being. Same goes for DBSK while they’re in Japan. Same also goes for Super Junior who is now taking a break. If this whole “2NE1 VS. SNSD” thing started at Music Bank… I’d like to say that I understand why 2NE1 won at Music Bank. Their song I Don’t Care is more recent than Tell Me Your Wish Genie and amongst other things, 2NE1 is sticking to the cutesy image, plus a song with a catchy hook, that Korea loves so much while SNSD decided to go sexy (not sexy and cute; sexy-cute) and leave out a hook for their song- something Korea’s definitely not used to. I also can’t leave out the fact that 2NE1 is just freaking talented (yes 2NE1 YG, I’m finally starting to forgive your change in music). So really, it’s no surprise that they won and I can’t congratulate them enough.
However, what I really can’t understand is how M!Net is still able to survive without SM Entertainment. Correct me if I’m wrong, but KBS wanted to pull something similar on SM Entertainment but quickly changed their minds. Why? Because SM Entertainment is a huge factor to the Kpop Entertainment scene. You can’t deny how massive their fanbases are because of how popular their entertainers get. The fact that M!Net is still deciding to pick fights with SM Entertainment is quite interesting. I almost wonder how it’s affected viewings, ratings, endorsement revenue, and everything else a telebision network needs to survive. So yeah, it sorta interests me why M!Net continues to play these little games with everyone, especially the big cheeses.
Hmmm. Interesting. So what do you guys think?
P.S. I came home probably 20 minutes ago so… This article is pretty raw… no once over at all. Just writing as I go, as I normally do xD. And although this will probably go out tomorrow… or another day… Well, I’m still not gonna edit it LOL.
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Tags: 2ne1, 2pm, DBSK, gee, genie, girls generation, kara, kbs, M countdown, mnet, Music Bank, SeeYa, sm, snsd, so nyuhshi dae, super junior, tell me your wish, wonder girls
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I think that M!Net should have known by now that their practice is very unhealthy to the Kpop industry, and that if SM is willing to patch up and agree to some shows with SNSD/SM artists in it, they’d definitely earn better benefits.
What I cannot comprehend is that they were the first ones who worked with SNSD (GGTS) and now that they’re famous, they decided to pull the lifeline off the girls.
So the recent rumour was all bullshit, isn’t it?
By Seng Aun on 2009/07/27 at 8:55 am
Well i don’t care about all these issues that much.
Because SNSD > All.
By zheming on 2009/07/27 at 9:41 am
since i’m kinda busy right now, the only place i frequent for kpop news is akp. and to be sincere, in the site, there are a few 2ne1 fans being very VERY rude to snsd. that doesn’t give me good impression about 2ne1 fans
By xiahtic on 2009/07/27 at 10:27 am
a few things..
first, if these are the marketing strategy that MNET has been choosing to employ, then they must be terribly desperate. i agree, picking a fight with a big company like SM seems to be in poor taste and, i would imagine, only hurts the network. regardless, i can’t say i really care much about this issue. i’m a fan of SNSD, not whatever television network decides to air them.
next, allkpop is a joke of a website when it comes to kpop, please don’t call it news. many of the writers are jokes and obviously biased in their articles (to any of their favorite artists). it amazes me to see what kind of stuff they post there and the readers who just eat it up to encourage such shit articles.
i’m no fan of 2NE1, but i will defend their fans in saying that the few of those who act like that are horribly immature and, to be honest, what makes kpop look like such a big joke. i love kpop to death, but i’m sometimes embarrassed because of die hard some fans can be to their favorite artists that they become ‘anti’ fans. the concept of anti-fans is so bizarre that i still can’t wrap my mind around it. these people seem to have formed some kind of mindset to downright despise artists based on how they are portrayed by the media. i have yet to see an argument from any anti other than “ugh they’re so ugly” or “PLASTIC OMG” or “i hate that bitch!!” really? i’m very curious to not only know how some of you come up with these conclusions, but how any of this is relevant to a certain artist. it’s horribly childish and i cringe at the thought that any of these people are above the age of 16 (and even that seems too old). idols, in my opinion, are meant to be role models and do often succeed in creating a solid fan base. it’s just sad to see the few ‘fans’ that just don’t get it and would rather spend (a rather LARGE) portion of their time hating on others.
By jan on 2009/07/27 at 3:38 pm
oops. sorry xiahtic, i meant for this to be a general comment, not just a reply to what you said xD. so don’t take it personally 😛
By jan on 2009/07/27 at 3:40 pm
You bring up a good point, an age old point that many of us more mature fans like to bring up all the time. But it’s pretty much a lost cause when those fans can’t even comprehend what we’re saying. Why? They’re probably too stubborn or too busy trashing others in the most childish ways to realize what they’re doing and what we’re talking about.
But hey, you gotta admit, this drama is what keeps us up with Kpop. It’s a lot better than the boring Jpop industry that I never felt as passionate about when I was into. If you ask me, Kpop is most like the American Ent industry… but it has something to it that makes it so much more fun to follow haha.
Oh, and please don’t talk about AKP that way here. I was one of the first writers they had… I’m pretty much part of their first generation writers (or was till I left). We were very different back then… A lot of us had journalism backgrounds or were interested in journalism, despite some of the posts being perverted or having perverse influences because Johnny oppa still edited them at that time. Now however, as they grow, their style of writing may be more blog-like, but they really weren’t like that when I used to work for them. Take my word for it. But that’s probably because Johnny oppa (and Paul oppa) are too busy with business affairs and website maintenance that they hired their own set of editors and those editors happen to be bloggists as well so they don’t see the difference between news-blog writing and journalistic news articles on a blog. ….If that made any sense to you at all.
-sLaVe
By slave303 on 2009/07/28 at 1:49 am
yeah, majority(not all) of allkpop readers is quite anti of snsd…well, we can see coz allkpop is jyp artistes supporter ….although their writers has slightly change abit not to write negative things about snsd, yet still some of readers are rude….that change abit my perseption to 2ne1’s fans….
By soshi_fan on 2009/07/27 at 11:25 am
I don’t really like 2NE1…And i’m not feelling ”I don’t care”…
but I LOVE Tell me your wish…
Really, Mnet is….I HATE MNET! I remember that 2PM vs SNSD…when the results came out I was like WHAT THE —- IS THIS!?!?!?!?! And Taengoo’s OST…AAAARGH!!! ”If” was the definitely the most popular OST in 2008.
The girls would have won more awards. They deserved them. But Mnet is just…..AAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!
I even thought about planting a BOMB in the Mnet building…
But that thing about YG and DSP fans is true. VIP is a really mature fanclub…but I don’t know what to say about 2NE1’s. A lot of their fans are rude and mentally unstable…really.
Anyways, for me SNSD PWNS THEM ALL! Best Girl Group EVER!
By Tvxq4everLove on 2009/07/27 at 11:39 am
SNSD fans were the ones who always started the fight… they will go to a 2NE1 link just to comment that 2NE1 members are ugly and a lot of negative things. WE don’t do that, we don’t go to an SNSD link just to bash them. We just want to talk about how great 2NE1 is & how proud we are on what they achieve. WE have no time to to visit SNSD link to talk trash… WE are just defending OUR 2NE1…
By Deutzy on 2009/07/28 at 2:50 pm
I don’t even know why MKMF allows voting -.-;;
It doesn’t make a difference anyways…
Best Male Artist went to Seotaiji when both MC Mong and Taeyang had triple the amount of votes.
Best Dance Song went to Lee Hyori when DBSK had like double her votes -.-;
Best House Electronic song went to Jewelry when Big Bang were 1.5 million votes ahead of him (triple the amount)
Taeyeon had like twice the amount of votes too but still lost to Kim Jong Wook and SG Wannabe.
My personal favorite is how Wonder Girl’s won best song of the year. Not because they didn’t deserve it but because they only had 8% of the votes.
SNSD had 11%, Big Bang had 24%, and DBSK had 30%
Genie has been crippled by delays and false rumors, but despite that they still managed to sell over 60,000 within a month on Hanteo even more then Seotaiji and Drunken Tiger.
MCount/Mnet can go screw itself seriously obviously they’re pulling these numbers out of thin air. I mean seriously not winning MCount when they top the Mnet chart for 8 weeks? That’s more suspicious then Hanteo saying that Genie sold 432 for 3 days consecutively -.-;;
I’ll be the first call BS on both.
By kevcozha on 2009/07/27 at 2:15 pm
It is very depressing to see all those rude comments bout our girls. And it doesn’t help that alot of posers are trying to rebel-rouse some 2NE1 fans to start hating on SNSD. Objectively, enjoying other artists’ music doesn’t mean you love your idols any less. Of course, you couldn’t expect kiddies to think objectively & logically. and i term the word “kiddies” loosely coz some people are down on the infant-stage despite their age.
Of course all this “SNSD is better than *whosover*” or *whosoever* rulez over SNSD” is just adding fuel to the fire. I mean why compare? Each group is uniquely different. Its great to cheer on your group but when you start trampling on others just to feel superior, there will be a backlash coz we’re all protective of our “property.” (honestly i can’t find a better term. *lol*)
About Mnet, I totally forgot that it existed coz SNSD does not perform there. *lol-plz forgive me minwoo~shi*
Well…not all allkpop writers are pro-jyp. Its been flag that their founder johnny-o-drama is an SNSD supporter. But this makes me a tad uncomfortable coz….well lets face it…his comments are really explicit & R-rated!
Right now, i’d really like SM Ent to give our girls sometime off and not overwork them. Yeah…we know that SM artists are cash cows but if the herd dies…i think the fans will trample SM to death.
By Niki on 2009/07/27 at 2:26 pm
I really couldn’t care less about these awards. Because it had always been total BULL SHIT.
It’s not about which artist has the best vocal skill or best song, it’s about which artist can look attractive on stage and has catchy songs.
If it is about vocal and music, then groups like Clazziquai and Epik High would rule the stage. And idol groups who can actually sing live, like SNSD, 2NE1, and Brown Eyed Girls.
I like 2NE1, but sometimes I feel like these girls kinda “borrowed” Big Bang’s fans. They got talent and all, but do they really wanted to be known as “the female big bang”? (Maybe) I hope not. It’s a big waste for talent.
And yeah, 2NE1 fans bothers me too… A lot of them are practically more active in hating SNSD rather than showing support for 2NE1. They also bashed around Brown Eyed Girls the other day. And they’re even ruder to 4minute. Gosh…
By ... on 2009/07/27 at 2:49 pm
Filipino fans don’t do that… And there are a lot of Filipino 2NE1 fans… I mean A LOT! SNSD is not known here.
By Deutzy on 2009/07/28 at 2:54 pm
I see a lot of filipino people covering SNSD dances on youtube.
By nyuun on 2009/07/31 at 1:03 pm
omg, i’m really thankful for this post, i’ve been wanting someone to talk about this, because i barely knew anything about it!
but all i can say is that mnet is making a mistake. snsd and sm are a huuuge part of the kpop industry, and them not being a big apart of it, only makes 2ne1 & yg seem sooo great and sm-not. i mean, i love 2ne1 and all, but it’s totally not fair to snsd and their fans.
& the mkmf thing-i’m totally a wg fans above anything and snsd is a super close 2nd. and sure i was happy when they and other people won, but they seriously need to give out awards for the count not ‘who’s deserving’ or ‘who’s popular right now’.
By sikimchi on 2009/07/27 at 5:19 pm
*sighs*MNET is one F****ed up network.
By Gummybear on 2009/07/27 at 5:34 pm
I would have to take Tama and Zoolander’s responses as truth myself, since I trust them as well.
We all know that Koreans are about the drama, so with other people out of the competition from being in another country or on hiatus, 2NE1 is the only active group to compare SNSD to. (I mean, this is the “Summer of Girl Groups” or whatever, right?) And, just because they’ve won awards means little, really, although they are rising to fame with their talent. It will be sad if 2NE1 fans become anti’s because there are several of us who just love everybody and believe in the power of free love. Even if you fangirl more over one group compared to another, you have to give the others some respect.
As for M!Net, they made a pretty stupid move, but that’s their choice. It doesn’t just hurt one side, but both. They’ll (hopefully) realize this one day and stop being so butthurt.
By Black Velvet on 2009/07/27 at 6:03 pm
Some of 2NE1 fans became Anti-SNSD because SNSD fans is hating on 2NE1 coz they beat them (a lot) lately. We are just defending our 2NE1.
By Deutzy on 2009/07/28 at 2:56 pm
OR… because some 2NE1 fans who had always been an SNSD fan for some stupid reasons started to bash SNSD in the name of 2NE1.
I don’t think these “2NE1 fans” are “just defending 2NE1”.
By nyuun on 2009/07/31 at 1:04 pm
While SM may seem like a powerful company in kpop, it really has no clout against large media companies like Mnet. This is not really a kpop thing but a corporate war. Mnet is part of CJ group a big conglomerate originally part of Samsung. The SM-Mnet feud got started when Mnet wanted SM to publish their albums through Mnet but SM refused. This album business is big money. Most companies like YG chose to become part of Mnet family and have their albums published by Mnet. Thus YG artists get full support on Mnet. SM is fighting a lonely battle. At least most everyone in Korea knows of Mnet’s dirty tactics.
By 156cm on 2009/07/27 at 6:41 pm
If I’m not misunderstand about your comment.
you want to tell “2ne1 won SNSD because YG chose to become part of Mnet family and have their albums published by Mnet and SM doesn’t”…Right?
By NANASAori on 2009/07/27 at 7:27 pm
There is no such thing as “2ne1 won SNSD”. 2ne1 won many no 1 on many charts and music shows because they have a good song not because they have full support from Mnet. Yes you have misunderstood my comment. What made you bring 2ne1 and snsd in to this? I said this is not a kpop thing but a corporate war. Although I understand YG fans might have got miffed that YG was mentioned that way. YG did what it had to do, SM did what it had to do. Mnet is the one messing with kpop industry.
Here read a post like this to get an idea of all this
http://mlbpark.donga.com/bbs/view.php?bbs=mpark_bbs_bullpen&idx=480011&cpage=1
By 156cm on 2009/07/27 at 7:58 pm
to…156cm
Sorry for my misunderstanding…
By NANASAori on 2009/07/27 at 9:33 pm
WOW. Thank you for this insight. I did not know about this and did not even see this as a corporate war. However, everything makes sense now.
I sorta see this as “I can’t get the biggest private company? Well then I’ll take its competitors and we’ll work together to take that one down!” sort of thing.
My interest in these such matters in business and marketing makes this whole situation exciting… however, I can’t help but feel bad about what’s happened.
I’m sure if M!Net’s got YG, they probably have JYP too (or at least trying to work something out), as well as the smaller companies. I know M!net has many subcompanies/subsidiary so this “war” is very interesting to me.
I know that M!net Media isn’t part of the biggest multi-industrious company, but comparing Samsung’s media conglomerate to CJ’s conglomerate, CJ’s had more success. Be that as it may, isn’t SM Entertainment the biggest private music ent. company in Korea? M!Net may be partnering up with SM’s competitions, but when it comes to celebrities and entertainers, I think LSM can put up a good fight.
-sLaVe
By slave303 on 2009/07/27 at 8:31 pm
JYP is with Loen, the other big player. The whole field of kpop album business basically consists of CJ’s Mnet and SK’s Loen and lonely SM. Loen also runs the giant digital tunes site Melon. The owner SK is of course another huge monster conglomerate. The largest Korean enter company Sidus (owns Hallyu stars like Jun Ji Hyun etc) is under SK. SM is like a tiny shrimp in this waters. See we need to realize that the problem at hand is that these powerful corporations are monopolizing and taking control over an artistic industry. Something like this happens all over the world so it’s nothing new but it’s somewhat more outrageous in Korea.
By 156cm on 2009/07/28 at 1:04 am
Alright, just to make sure that I’m following you (because I suck at corporate music industry history background information) correctly…
CJ is the group, which owns M!net as their media aspect of the company (which includes tv channels, shows, albums, artists, etc), who is trying to own or have strong holds with Entertainment companies who produce the music? So it wouldn’t be correct to say that M!net is an Entertainment company because what they’re doing is completely different from what Ent companies like SM/YG/DSP/JYP/Pledis/etc do, right?
And so… SK is another conglomerate like CJ and owns Loen, the media aspect of SK. SK owns Loen, and Loen owns JYP Entertainment… and Sidus Entertainment?
Man, it’s like as if Kpop will never cease to leave me entertained.
-sLaVe
By slave303 on 2009/07/28 at 2:12 am
Sorry I suck at explaining things. How about a chart like this. The numbers in bracket indicate the corporate size (it’s a rough figure so take it with grain of salt)
CJ [10,000]
–Mnet Media[1000]
–Mnet Entertainment (owns Lee Hyori, Davichi etc)
–Mnet.com
–Mnet cable tv, KMTV
SK[100,000]
— SidusHQ [200] (Jun Ji hyun, Han yeseul, Jo insung etc)
— Melon.com
— Loen (publishes albums and operates Melon)
SM[100]
YG[80], works with Mnet Media, stocks are cross owned by each other
JYP[60], works with Loen
DSP[60], works with Mnet Media
By 156cm on 2009/07/28 at 3:14 am
^ the formattings not working like I wanted.
I wanted to display that Mnet Media owns Mnet Entertainment, Mnet.com, Mnet cable tv (plus many other operations)
I don’t know if all this is relevant to SNSD blog…Sorry to clutter things on here haha
By 156cm on 2009/07/28 at 3:20 am
Not at all! This really helped me a lot. And I really like learning these things.
I think long time followers of the blog should know that xD I take music seriously haha
So seriously, I thank you ~!
-sLaVe
By slave303 on 2009/07/28 at 3:40 am
well first, kangin should go in and threaten to talk smack about mnet and see how mnet reacts ^^
no but really, i think this whole thing is retarded. the girl’s keep trying their hardest, but keep reaching bumps in the road like these, which push them to try even harder. im going off on the wrong track into an unrelated argument… but the girl’s are completely off their game. they need their rest. if things like this keep happenning, they’re gonna think that they need to keep pushing themselves harder… which is probably not gonna end well.
By o.o on 2009/07/27 at 6:54 pm
They’re GIRL POWER,I appreciate both (2ne1 and SNSD)and all of korean singers(also Boy band)
Because they’re just a youthful but practice to be a singer for a long time since they’re young.
SO…I think the artist,they’re just do the job and follow they dream but because of “THE FANCLUB” of them.They do the bad thing and it’s make the artist look bad.
I cheer everyone….fight on for your dream.. 😀
By NANASAori on 2009/07/27 at 7:04 pm
Every field has a good thing and bad thing
It’s the way of life.. 😀
By NANASAori on 2009/07/27 at 7:12 pm
Mnet = CJ is so big it’s not even funny. They don’t really need SM.
By popbuggy on 2009/07/27 at 8:51 pm
Oh snap! Hey Buggy! Lol you probably don’t even know me…
-sLaVe
By slave303 on 2009/07/28 at 12:09 am
TOTALLY UNRELATED: popbuggy @ YT and ssf. please update your blog!
By Seng Aun on 2009/07/28 at 2:12 am
ok, just a heads up, i have been sitting here for 15mins+ trying to digset ALL YOUR words, and thanks for the post maria and comments everyone!
My brain is deepfried, I have commented on how i feel before through my posts so I wont really say much more except I didn’t even KNOW mnet countdown STILL EXISTED until there was that SNSD Gee vs Kara Honey for #1… thats when i realize
that it still existed.
oh and, Coporate wars: oh em gee! thx for the tip!
By Soofany on 2009/07/27 at 10:44 pm
Girlz let’s face it… 2NE1 – IN, SNSD – OUT.
SNSD fans knows that, that is why they switch to dirty tactics… bashing 2NE1 in their own territory. Well, you think we’ll allow that?!! If SNSD fans didn’t start this upcoming ‘war’ there will be no fight… think about this… WHY WOULD 2NE1 FANS HATE (or insult) SNSD IF WE ARE WINNING? There’s no reason to do that since we are winning against them.. But that’s also the reason why SNSD fans might want to hate 2NE1. MAKE SENSE?!
By Girlie on 2009/07/28 at 3:08 pm
Seriously, u r bashing snsd in their own territory now….\
I like both 2ne1 and snsd….
but u r too biased……
is not about in and out
I like ‘I don’t care’ and ‘Tell me your wish’ equally…
They are totally different and unique in it’s own way, so
don’t say that snsd are talentless and 2ne1 talented…
They are equally talented in their own unique way
By JJ on 2009/07/29 at 9:58 am
I know some SNSD fans(or people who claim to be fans) are leaving some nasty comments about 2NE1, and vice versa. That doesn’t represent the majority of the SNSD fans who don’t actively hate on 2NE1 and those who support both groups.
Personally, I love 2NE1 too. I think it’s pretty freaking awesome that they’re winning so many awards for a new girl group, even if they’re beating out SNSD’s Genie.
“I don’t care, tell me your wish!!” XD
So yeah, chill and just keep on loving all the girls! 😀
Spread love, not hate?
By einhart on 2009/07/29 at 11:26 am
sooo… why are you here, again?
i fail to understand. i dont think it makes sense.
By nyuun on 2009/07/31 at 1:07 pm
See, this is exactly the point everyone is trying to get across. Total immaturity as a so called fan. Seriously if you were such a big fan, you would want others to have a better impression of your idol group by being a little more well-mannered.
It’s true that there are anti-fans out there, SNSD’s, 2NE1’s etc. As a fan, as much as you hate to see idol-bashing comments, you should just try your best in defending your favourite idol group and try to cast them in the best light to the best of your abilities – and NOT trying to bash other idol groups just as the minority of haters do.
This isn’t about a popularity contest man, it’s just about generally being open to others and accepting people for just being there.
But reading your comment just really made me laugh and frown at the same time, this whole thread was about boy-cotting and hating and suddenly you come in here just to prove to everyone that people like you do exist.
I personally am not a fan of 2NE1, but I tolerate and just go with the flow. You on the other hand are way too biased and doing childish things just as those who have done to your idol – seriously, the whole ‘an eye for an eye’ thing is the thing that’s ‘OUT’.
By Exactly the point on 2009/10/04 at 1:35 pm
I hate fans like you, or rather anti-fan. You’re saying that SNSD fans bashed 2ne1 in their territory? and what do you call yourself going and starting a fight between this two groups?
Fans like you should learn to watch their own words.
By TAN.g.a on 2009/11/22 at 8:12 am
i sniff a troll blackjack, do you?
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